Actually, I think Victoria would have been perfect for the Volturi if Aro had an interest in her talent. She's heartless, gets a perverse kick from control, and she values safety above everything else. She's accustomed to following someone else's lead and Chelsea could always ease any qualms she had about losing her freedom.Originally Posted by Shimmerskin
I doubt she was expecting a choice between death and aquisition but Victoria would have chosen to join the Volturi. The deciding factor: would Aro benefit from having her around? Well, I can't see Vampire royalty having a need to evade anything and Victoria never mentioned her talent to Riley.
I'm sure they've all heard the stories about Aro's 'mercy' and talented Vampires being granted a second chance. Are they trusting enough to take them at face value? Well, Amun can't be the only one keeping secrets from Aro. Carlisle knows the Volturi too well to be surprised by it, though he doesn't think badly of Aro. He would have been a witness to these things during the few decades he spent living with them.
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I think the Cullens are well aware of Aros desires. However, the Cullens, especially Carlisle, tries to look for the good in others. Perhaps their hope of kinship causes them to be a bit taken aback when Edward shares this info.
"Human eyes were clouded;they saw nothing clearly."
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Thank you, Joanne! I think they're alarmed but not really surprised that Aro wants to acquire Edward and Alice, and now Bella, for his own purposes. And I don't think any of the Cullens are surprised that the Volturi knew what was happening in Seattle and let it proceed. I doubt the Cullens have illusions about the Volturi but since the Cullens were never ones to draw attention or ire, all was well. The Volturi had no excuse for bothering any of them, much less Edward or Alice.
However, that doesn't hold true anymore. The Cullens are no longer under the radar; they have many things Aro covets; they're also the root cause of the recent disturbances.
Putting aside the events of BD for the moment, I sometimes wonder how long the Cullens would have felt comfortable being Cullens after the events of EC. I wonder if Edward was beginning to think about going into deep hiding with all new, untraceable identities for the family and Bella. It's the kind of thing he would consider and Bella would say was overreacting.
You make a great point, Joanne
I think Carlisle had too much faith in their friendship, just as with Diego and Riley. If Aro's own sister fell victim to his lust for power, what chance did the Cullens have?
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In my humble opinion, Aro definitely wants the talents of Edward, Alice & Bella to add to the ranks of the Voltouri. He wants them passionately. He is also jealous & even somewhat wary of the Cullens for their talents & their numbers. They are getting too big for his comfort, considering the talents among them. I don't think that he'd fear them at this point. But he would be intrigued with Bella's potential as a shield.
As for Jane, she is a selfish & petty sadist. She HATES Alice with a passion because Aro wants her so badly. She wants to be his shining star... the most treasured of Aro's collection of talents. Bree even noted that as much as Jane hates Bella, she hated Alice even more.
Jane also HATES Bella since she can't hurt or control her. This is not something that Jane can accept easily. She is so used to being able to hurt & control everyone. So, the fact that she is powerless to Bella really hits her where she lives. I'm sure that the idea of Bella becoming a vampire terrifies Jane. She has never been on equal footing with anyone. Her fear & frustration manifests as hatred. She wants Bella dead.
Caius is also a sadist. He really gets enjoyment from inflicting pain & death on others. The fact that Aro wants some Cullens to be added to their ranks probably upsets Cauis. He doesn't want any competition. He just wants to be in (control of) the almighty Voltouri that controls everyone with fear. He lives to watch others squirm, suffer & die. He's quite the sick puppy.
I think that Jane, probably with Cauis' support, was very happy to have Victoria there to do her dirty work. Aro would surely see if she killed those he coveted so dearly. So, she could not actually just kill them. Plus... she couldn't do it anyway. Edward & Alice might've been able to stop her. I would think that Jane, without her talent, would be quite cowardly.
Aro would definitely NOT want to kill the Cullens he wants so badly. He'd rather try to get them to join him. I'd think that Jane could get in trouble with Aro for being in cahoots with Victoria... trying to get those he wanted killed. Apparently, you cannot hide ANY thought from Aro. However, you CAN hide thoughts from Edward. It's difficult, but he can only hear what is thought of in his presence. This is discussed a few times during the saga.
So, I think that Aro would have dispatched Jane, Demetri, Felix & ???? to "deal with the situation in Seattle". I think how she went about that task was from her own selfish motivations. Cauis might have supported her actions. Marcus wouldn't have cared either way, of course.
As for the delay in acting, I'm not too sure about that. It doesn't make too much sense to me except that I would think that Jane would have spent some time observing the Newborn Army. She had to determine who was doing what to find the head of the army. It would look like Riley initially. But needed to be traced back to Victoria. Then, maybe she'd want to wait until she thought they would be powerful & large enough to pose an actual threat to the Cullens? Just a thought. It did seem to be out of hand for too long.
I think that once Jane gave Victoria the deadline (of 5 days), it forced Victoria to make her final decision. The attack was set for 4 days later. Once Victoria made THIS decision, Alice got her vision. She saw what was to happen. It was during the graduation party. Alice saw that the army was coming to them. Remember, the Cullens were planning to go to Seattle until that point. Of course, this changed everything. Her visions solidified since the decision was made. The wolves got involved, etc...
Edward couldn't have heard what was planned/going on, unless they would be within a few miles of him. His talent only extends that far. Alice's visions are dependent on decisions. Therefore, she could not have seen anything until that decision was made.
Yes, Jane did lie to the Cullens & she definitely did act as though the Voltouri played no part in the attack. However, Edward would probably know from her thoughts as well as the thoughts of the rest of the Voltouri present. Of course, the details that Bree gave Edward would have been clearer & more direct.
Edward knew everything about the role that Jane/the Voltouri played in this newborn army attack. He may have known everything BEFORE Bree's details. But I read somewhere... I think it was from Stephenie Meyer, that Edward often held back his knowledge from the Cullens if he thought it wouldn't have changed anything. If it would just cause them fear & upset, he'd often try to protect his family.
Yes, I totally agree, LynnL. On the day of the graduation in EC, when Bella ties everything together in her mind: the intruder; her missing clothes/pillow; Charlie being left alive although a vampire was in the house with him; Victoria; the Newborn army... I think they do mention that the intruder was testing/experimenting with the holes in Alice's vision. Riley went there knowing that Alice MIGHT be able to see him. However, since his presence didn't harm Charlie or Bella directly, Alice couldn't see him. That was what he & Victoria were banking on.
OK, about Alice & her talent: Alice can definitely see strangers. You gave great examples, Greeneyedlady with Victoria, James & Laurent. However, her visions are usually limited (probably by her choice) to any events, people &/or things that might have a direct impact on her & her family/loved ones (of course, that includes Bella).
Alice also watches out for many things such as stock market trends, the weather, Aro, Victoria, Jasper's urges, Irina... She can see whoever she focuses on once they have made any decision that impacts on her or her loved ones. In BD, she watches over Irina frequently, even before she goes to the Voltouri. She's checking up on her & wants to help her.
However, you are correct in that Alice clearly states that things can get past her when she is spread too thin by trying to focus on too much at one time. They also state that she sees Vampires best/easiest (since she is a vampire) and humans well (since she WAS one). She cannot see werewolves or hybrids (like Renesmee). Alice can see weather very well since it is not changed by any decisions. What will happen, will happen.
In EC-the movie, I clearly remember her seeing Riley during the party scene. She & Edward recognize him. But I don't remember this from the book. I guess I'll just have to revamp... yet again!
IMHO, timing was a huge issue with Victoria's attack on Edward & Bella during the big fight. Alice would've been able to see this was going to happen once Victoria made the decision. However, Alice was totally focused on the battle at hand.
Once Alice did see this was going to occur, she had no way to convey it to Edward since they were about 7 (or 9?) miles away from Edward. Edward would not have been able to hear her warning. Alice would have had to tell a wolf who could convey this info to Seth & then Edward would have known. But they (Alice & the wolves) were very focused on the fight.
I do wonder if Alice would have even got the knowledge or if since she was focused elsewhere, it would've just been missed.
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