Kristen Stewart describes Bella as a "total sadomasochist"??

[briteeyes]

Scoundrel,

I agree with your analysis. Bella stays strong with what is happening around her. She does not want the things to happen nor does she enjoy them.

[lauralee]

At the time, Kristen was 17 years old, so I doubt she truly understands the term the way we do as adults. I remember her saying at one point in the beginning that she didn't read the books because she didn't want to be distracted from the character as written for the screen. But I think that she did read the books before NM came out, and she realized what a following the movies/books had. Rob, on the other hand, read the first 3 books (BD wasn't out yet), and Midnight Sun ch. 1-12. I couldn't tell you about Taylor

[scoundrel]

At the time, Kristen was 17 years old, so I doubt she truly understands the term the way we do as adults. I remember her saying at one point in the beginning that she didn't read the books because she didn't want to be distracted from the character as written for the screen. But I think that she did read the books before NM came out, and she realized what a following the movies/books had. Rob, on the other hand, read the first 3 books (BD wasn't out yet), and Midnight Sun ch. 1-12. I couldn't tell you about Taylor

I wouldn't enjoy being judged today on all the judgemental and sometimes downright mean things I thought and said when I was 17; an age when everything seems black and white, not grey, and when one has much less compassion, even when espousing ostensibly "liberal" views. I wouldn't want to have a go at Ms Stewart personally merely because I don't agree with something which she thought and said when she was 17 and in the middle of making the first movie, and no doubt studying and preparing for exams and imminent graduation. I am sure she had a lot on her plate in that moment of her life anyway, and reading a series of novels which weren't going to be on the final exam paper would have been quite an imposition on top of all that.

But not having read the books, Ms Stewart would have been only qualified to discuss film-Bella. It is perhaps an insight into the way in which these books were adapted for film by a script-writer and a director who (IMHO anyway) really didn't like the original books and looked askance at the heroine, the hero and the core values of their story. Of course Ms Stewart, not having read the books, would rely on the director and the script and create Bella's character from there.

[Envoute by Twilight]

I would say, I understand K. S. point of view. Bella for all the pain she suffer won't let go of anything about her true love. Even when she's getting out of the numbness, she has been in for months,she will search ways to remind Edward at all cost.She don't take care any pain involved by reminding her love because she can't stop. She already feel like she died when he left, so remembering is all what she have. This is her maso side. As for her sado side, I think this is a reference to the pain she caused to Jacob.Though she don't want to make him feel bad, she keep telling him she need him and that he is her best friend. She don't mind his demonstration of affection, she crave for it, because this ease her pain, this help her to breath again.I hope this make sense, you know, I a bit short of words here

[havera_7]

I don't agree with something which she thought and said when she was 17 and in the middle of making the first movie, and no doubt studying and preparing for exams and imminent graduation.

scoundrel, as far as I know, KS dropped out of school at a pretty young age (13 or something like that), so she was not preparing for graduation then . She took correspondence classes (if I understood it correctly), and she got her high school diploma only in 2009, when she was 19. As a matter of fact, it happened one week before the filming of the graduation scene in "Eclipse" . I'm usually not interested in the Twilight actors, but by chance I read an interview with KS where she talked about all this.

She don't take care any pain involved by reminding her love because she can't stop

I can see your point, but at the same time a real masochist loves to suffer, suffering gives him/her pleasure, and we can't say this about Bella. When she did dangerous things to hear Edward's voice, it wasn't in order to get pleasure through suffering . She had a completely different purpose.

[megonann]

I was just watching the Twilight DVD extras and in "Becoming Bella" Kristen makes the Sadomasochist remark. She said it in the context of Bella being initially intrigued by Edward in spite of the murderous glare he gives her upon their first interaction. I can assume she meant that Bella enjoys discovering what Edward is inspire of the fear he also incites in her.
This interview was done during the filming of Twilight when Kristen was young and just beginning to understand her character.

[redlipstick]

well, probably the simplest check for a perversion, is to check for other perversions. they sort of travel in groups. and bella doesn't seem to have any other kinks, so a s/m sort of twist is really unlikely.

I'm more creeped out by the vampire novels where drinking blood is a sort of paraphilia.

I would think Ms Stewart would have a more nuanced view of commitment, pain, and desire, now that she has grown up.

[Envoute by Twilight]

I can see your point, but at the same time a real masochist loves to suffer, suffering gives him/her pleasure, and we can't say this about Bella. When she did dangerous things to hear Edward's voice, it wasn't in order to get pleasure through suffering . She had a completely different purpose.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. Here it is admit that you say to someone "your maso" when someone is doing something not fun,like to much exercise or meeting a person you don't like, in order to maintain a certain peace or to downsize your weight so you fit in a dress .
I would think Ms Stewart would have a more nuanced view of commitment, pain, and desire, now that she has grown up.
She seems to have a brain, I am thinking of the way she manage all the attention from the paparazzi and the fans around the world. She also made many references to the fact that she play a fictional character, maybe to calm down the identification some could make with her-self.

[apharion]

I have gradually come to the conclusion that Bella also tortures Edward during her pregnancy by shutting him out and hiding behind Rosalie. We see everything from Jacob's point of view, but Edward suffers so much more than perhaps he needs to by her treatment of him. Would Carlisle really abort the fetus against her wishes? Does she really need Rosalie and Emmett as the protection against Edward?

[scoundrel]

I have gradually come to the conclusion that Bella also tortures Edward during her pregnancy by shutting him out and hiding behind Rosalie. We see everything from Jacob's point of view, but Edward suffers so much more than perhaps he needs to by her treatment of him. Would Carlisle really abort the fetus against her wishes? Does she really need Rosalie and Emmett as the protection against Edward?

I am quite sure that Carlisle would and that Bella does. Remember the scene on Isle Esme when Edward learns that Bella is pregnant. Even at that first stage there is no doubt that her pregnancy is abnormal and is harming her; Edward has always been extremely stubborn and unyielding on issues pertaining to Bella's safety and well-being, and this is an extreme threat actively attacking her right before his eyes. To her, this is a baby. To him, this is a lethal and malignant growth. There is no common ground and no basis for negotiations. In order to keep her baby, Bella simply had to defy him, and Carlisle too; QED. Without Rosalie, she had no way to defy him; he and Carlisle are infinitely stronger and totally satisfied that they are right and she is wrong.

[LadyEsme]

I have gradually come to the conclusion that Bella also tortures Edward during her pregnancy by shutting him out and hiding behind Rosalie. We see everything from Jacob's point of view, but Edward suffers so much more than perhaps he needs to by her treatment of him. Would Carlisle really abort the fetus against her wishes? Does she really need Rosalie and Emmett as the protection against Edward?

I am quite sure that Carlisle would and that Bella does. Remember the scene on Isle Esme when Edward learns that Bella is pregnant. Even at that first stage there is no doubt that her pregnancy is abnormal and is harming her; Edward has always been extremely stubborn and unyielding on issues pertaining to Bella's safety and well-being, and this is an extreme threat actively attacking her right before his eyes. To her, this is a baby. To him, this is a lethal and malignant growth. There is no common ground and no basis for negotiations. In order to keep her baby, Bella simply had to defy him, and Carlisle too; QED. Without Rosalie, she had no way to defy him; he and Carlisle are infinitely stronger and totally satisfied that they are right and she is wrong.

IMHO, yes, he would. Carlisle has the medical knowledge that tells him that a human is unlikely to survive long enough to carry the baby to term. Or the actual birth, once they figure out the method. He knows he is right and expects Bella's heart to give out so has little hope that venom can transform her. Carlisle underestimates Bella but if she had died, Edward has already proven he will NOT live in a world without Bella. The sequence is inevitable, and Carlisle would do anything to save Bella from herself and as a result, save Edward. To Carlisle's credit, once Rosalie is on constant guard, he concentrates on reasoning with them and making every effort to increase Bella's chances of survival.

[redlipstick]

well, I suppose it's like my kids. They want to grow up, to be tall and strong like their father. This means bone-deep pain from growing so fast, for one. And second, it means sore muscles, as they work to their physical limits. I don't think they realized they'd asked for body-wide, bone-deep pain, complete exhaustion, ravenning hunger, sore muscles, bruises from working out....

bella didn't ask for torment, despair, predation, violence, death....